Metagame - SV RU Metagame Discussion (October Shifts #327) (2024)

Tier list time. I'll be going over some specific noms / opinions and continue my Revavroom Agenda, as well as mention some other pokemon who are either slept on, unused, suck ass or are worth a note of discussion. (Tier List only ordered in S ranks)
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I think Zarude is in the conversations for being nutty once more. While i was originally a skeptic, I'm starting to understand more and more how goofy this mon can be. Bulk up sets with tera are incredibly dangerous and I've seen this thing 1v1 pokemon it has zero business going head to head with like why is this thing beating IDBP cobalions like why is that ok. Fezandipiti is... bad at the task because of tera poison and Moltres both hates knock and any burns applied are cleansed with Jungle healing so yea. There are ways to force its hand with things like Psyfangs Okidogi and Encore Tinkaton, but this is a scant few compared to the value it provides. That's just one set too, other options exist like SD Trailblaze, and Scarf, despite being less common. I'm not going to vouch for anything just yet since I want to try it out myself since embarassingly I haven't, but what I've seen this thing do is cause for concern.

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...Alright let's talk about the elephant in the room. Hippowdon is a fantastic pokemon, there's no denying it. Fantastic longevity, solid rocker... and the most targetable and abusable mon we have in the tier right now. HO's have began focusing heavily on applying extreme pressure on Hippowdon with things partnered with Revavroom. I've personally used Minior for this, but other things like SD Lead Kleavor doing 70% with an X-Scissor, Draco DD Mence, Wood Hammer Mimikyus, everything about Thundurus-Therian, and I've been trying DD Taunt Iron Thorns to decent success aswell. This also ignores how truthfully what stops Revavroom from using Tera Flying itself? I think this overloading and Hippowdon being the primary if only "reliable" check to some of these is and will become more and more noticeable / problematic as time goes on. This will keep going until hippowdons give up and march in with fucking rock tombs to pop balloons / Tera flyers itself and just let Cobalion lay up the rocks. And by that point I think we've officially lost to the plot. The only reason I don't call it ass for this reason is because it's damn necessary alot of the time. It's tasked with ALOT and the range of mons it "handles" is extensive, which is why I find this dynamic a bit unhealthy. You already know my opinion on how to solve this is called nuking the Car, but I'll get to him (again), later.

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Look at him he's so happy. Have I ever told yall I like minior well I really like minior. That aside I think this thing is pretty solid. It's another member of the Hippowdon Hater fanclub, and it does a good job of fucking with it. Being immune to EQ naturally, and having quality acrobatics especially with tera flying pushing it further, it can do silly shit like ohko a cobalion with it in the right form. I think it's a really valuable wincon and look at him he's so happy to be here can we use him more please? It's setup chances are.. acceptable, it's shields down lets it be status immune while the shell is up which is a plus, being able to target Cyclizar, Slowking (with tera), Muk-A, Hippowdon as a last mon, Donphan, and it's speed tier is amazing in the Meteor form. Please use him he's so adorable I want 20 of him.

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This is the category i like to call "Lower tiered gas" Exeggutor-A sounds like a meme, but dragon / grass / fire coverage with OTR is actually pretty solid as an Anti-HO pick. Tera steel with Harvest Sitrus has good longevity and has opportunities to set the room up multiple times. Fezandipiti aside, switchins are pretty scarce to it. Iron Thorns is an HO mon with a niche of both it's defensive typing and having access to Taunt, giving it some ways to mess with Hippo, and can run balloon + taunt to completely abuse hippo ala revavroom. Wo-chien is an incredibly fat shithead that can do immense amount of lounging around while chipping down the right teams. Sylveon makes it name as a fairy type nuke, which is high in value as most of our steels are on the fake end. Competition with Enam-T exists but Sylveon has some reasons to pick it, namely pixilate and access to Wish to play team support if theres a check to it. Vileplume once again abuses every click of U-turn with a 30% chance to cripple the target, and with teams consisting of Cobal Cyclizar Molt Fezandipiti, this things value starts to show, especially with unrestricted sleep proc potential. Defensive value is also nice of course.

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Best HO lead in the tier for free. It's strong, reliable at getting them up, can usually dent a mon you want if thats your pick, like CC into cobalion or +2 X-scissor into Hippo/Donphan etc. It's prone to counterleading from Terrakion, but that's something i find to be a niche cope set than something practical. Not much to add, it has variety like Trailblaze, SD, Tailwind, rock blast, QA, etc. Very nice.

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I'll be honest I think both of these are very ass. I ranked Necrozma highly in part because i think it absolutely has potential, unlike slowbro. Slowbro right now is just... why not use a different water. We have slowking (for now), washtom, swampert, volcanion etc just use a different water type. It's better at checking revavroom sure but it's still meh at the job gunk does so fucking much. It's usable sure but I'm just not remotely a fan. I'm sure it'll get better though but for now imma hate.

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Aand since its 12:30am im gonna wrap it up with this shit. Yeah this mon still busted lmao. Recently been teching Temper Flare on my Revavrooms, and have had the added benefit of 2 tapping Feli's orthworm for free as he greed spiked on it thinking he could actually check it with his "counter". I've also been using Tera flying, which has benefit of ignoring Hippowdon even after a balloon pop, so that's no longer sufficient counterplay either. Temper flare also messes with Tera Steel Washtoms if you can call the worlds most telegraphed emergency tera, Bronzong, and Forretrees as answer to it. Because truthfully you don't actually need tera ground or HHP, it's nice but Temper Flare does alot of the same things, with added benefits. Note how revavroom can just choose to ignore these counterplay with a minor change and you gotta just hold that? Yeah me too. Incineroar and Moltres move nicely until the holy spirit known as Tera Fire sends both packing to a 1 way trip to Dubai. The moment the people abandon the notion that Revavroom is beholden to one set, the quicker we can get this mon up outta here. Try changing around what tera types and moveslots it uses and you'll see this mon just isn't ok.

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